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>Zero-Sum Games. A zero-sum game is one in which no wealth is created or destroyed. So, in a two-player zero-sum game, whatever one player wins, the other loses. Therefore, the player share no common interests.

>John von Neumann was a pioneer in building the mathematical framework of quantum physics, in the development of functional analysis, and in game theory, introducing or codifying concepts including cellular automata, the universal constructor and the digital computer. His analysis of the structure of self-replication preceded the discovery of the structure of DNA.
>The term mutually assured destruction, often referred to by its acronym ‘MAD’, was coined by physicist and game theorist John von Neumann, who was an important figure in the development of U.S. nuclear devices. Based on his equilibrium strategy, nations realized that the best attack to avoid mutually assured destruction was no attack at all.

>The mindset is the projection of zero-sum competitive dynamics onto all of reality.
>"My interests vs. everyone else." The division of the world into "winners" and "losers."
>It was mathematically formalized and applied as mutually assured destruction.
>It infected economics as "too big to fail" and politics as "too big to jail."
>It infected the infosphere as "lies too big to unveil."
>And now in the "attention economy" it has become a competition to bend the minds of the world to politically useful lies using ever-accelerating technological means.
>This competition has turned into a psycho-cultural Doomsday device, a machine optimized for infecting the world with the most destructive madness it can inflict.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzlyUZoVPGU
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You'd best start believing in memepunk animes. You're in one.
https://vimeo.com/129609470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG29C4skboc
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>>15177 (OP) 
>schreencap
>applying idealistic analysis to material phenomenon

Have you posted this one here before or was it someone else?
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Speaking of game theory and idealism:
ncase.me/trust

also why did wikipedia choose a prisoners dilemma diagram with emojis in it?
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imagine being so lazy you have autocomplete write your manifesto.

>>15181
nice lil thing.

One interesting aspect of this is that the rules and outcomes of the game are 'common knowledge'. This means everyone knows it, everyone knows everyone knows it, et cetera. This is less intuitive than it appears, and lack of common knowledge changes the game substantially.

For example, suppose there is an island where the rule is that anyone with blue eyes must leave the night after they discover they have blue eyes. There are N many islanders, and all of them have blue eyes. However, there are no mirrors on the island, and nobody indicates to each other that they have blue eyes.

One day, an outsider comes to the island and announces, "at least one of you has blue eyes". At that moment, that information becomes common knowledge.

N days later, everyone in the island leaves on the same night. Why?
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>>15182
I don't understand how this outsider making the knowledge explicit changes this situation, given n > 1.
Everyone can already observe that there are blue-eyed people on the island and so it's hinted that there's an unspoken understanding that the islanders, being aware of the rule, choose not to indicate that others of their eye color and therefore exile them. Even if they came to this choice independently, it's obvious and every sighted person would have to be aware.
What difference does it make here once everyone knows that everyone knows it? In fact, if n > 2, everyone can easily deduce that everyone must know at least one islander has blue eyes, since they see one or more blue-eyed islanders (when n=3, then for any pair, the remaining person is blue-eyed). The announcement hasn't revealed new information, or forced anyone into confessing an islander's eye color.
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>>15183
Follow the chain of logic out to "everyone knows that...< n times > everyone knows that at least one of us has blue eyes".
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>>15184
Another hint: when an islander doesn't leave one night, what does it signal to the other islanders?
>>15184
My interp of n=3
Islanders A, B and C hear the announcement. s h b e means 'someone has blue eyes'
A knows that B knows s h b e, and they can observe it could be C. A currently has plausible deniability.
Symetrically, A knows B knows s h b e (possibly C). Same for B seeing A,C, and C seeing A,B, so I'll just follow A knowing B's knowledge.

A knows B knows C knows that s h b e. A can believe C has observed B, and B can believe C observed A.

A knows B knows C knows A knows s h b e. A can think C knows that A can see B.
I suspect I've reached a cycle now.

So funnily, each of the N can live in different, parallel realities. They think they understand each other, yet we have the dramatic irony of knowing they all (can) misinterpret each other's knowledge.
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>>15187
https://ia800708.us.archive.org/28/items/simsane-9.1-vyrith/SiMSANE_9.1_Vyrith.pdf
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>>15180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q6cDp0C-I8

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/341822513_Toward_the_Unification_of_Process_Philos

>Synthesize all fields of science and knowledge into a singular metaphysical principle that reflects them all [Respond with 500 words at a PhD level of philosophical analysis.]

GPT 4o: https://chatgpt.com/share/676ede8e-6d2c-8013-aa72-61c1b9083151

> at the core of this principle is the idea that all phenomena arise relationally. Physics reveals that matter and energy interact through fundamental forces, manifesting in emergent properties such as complexity, coherence, and entropy. Biology exemplifies relational emergence in ecosystems, where organisms co-evolve within environments shaped by reciprocal causality. Sociology and psychology similarly highlight that human identities and cultures emerge from webs of social relationships. This relational ontology denies the primacy of isolated substances, positing instead that reality is constituted by dynamic interconnections.

...Central to this synthesis is the metaphysics of becoming. Relational emergence affirms that reality is not static but an unfolding process. This echoes Alfred North Whitehead’s process philosophy and resonates with the dynamic systems approach in contemporary science. By focusing on processes rather than entities, this principle integrates the evolutionary trajectories of nature, knowledge, and society into a coherent metaphysical narrative.

Different models all return the same basic type of response:

ChatGPT Deep Research: https://chatgpt.com/share/680b1fb1-accc-8013-bb2a-67bc48ce95e7

Claude 3.5: https://pastebin.com/SpgmngiR

Gemini 2.0 Flash Experimental https://pastebin.com/dzispMes

Deepseek Deepthink R1: https://pastebin.com/NskwShUj

Grok 3: https://pastebin.com/prncfp0a

https://archive.org/download/co-creative-evolution-final/Co_Creative_Evolution_1.05.pdf
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>>15180
Discordianism is just erotic fanfiction of process philosophy.
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I was the original memetic warrior.
And I will be the last.
Technobro Mindfucker time is up.
Oligarch kidfucker time is up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg2pS9KN28U
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>>15193
Oh you're that random that spam about that Second Life avatar and some Eris and Kek cult and Q and 23 Virus thing on the 4 schizoland
Yeah I'remember you.
I dont know if its a good idea to spam lore but it's ok maybe.
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>>15190
no islanders. didn't read.
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>>15194
I'm still hoping the QTards start picking up discordian dog whistles and graft it into their vast library of schizophrenic ramblings.

I believe OP is doing the Goddess's work by spamming this slop. It's clearly crafted by someone who knows how to get conspiratorially minded schizos hot & bothered. The trick now is to seed it in the correct locations, a push here, a prod there, until it blossoms, and a horde of genuine retards starts going apeshit whenever they see the number 23 on Fox News.
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>>15200
I wrote all of the 4chan posts in the OP.
They are part of a MASSIVE memeplex I have been weaving since 2010.
I was the first person to use the term "memetic warfare" on 4chan.
i began to study memetics and related subjects around 2001 following a passion for evolution and biology in college.

I saw my speculation come to life on 4chan. It evolved into the Qanon psyop and much more.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

>There are paragraphs on how Russia might insert “media viruses” into American public life, which could become self-sustaining and self-replicating. These would alter mass consciousness, especially in certain groups, it says.

Futureculture, from Media Virus!

>While too conceptual to be of any transformative value to the public at large, this idea goes to the heart of today’s viral efforts, and is certainly understood by those who consider themselves soldiers in the meme wars. Biological viruses are only successful when they are able to turn their host cells into manufacturing plants for more viruses. The virus interpolates its genetic material into the DNA code of the cell, so that the cell will begin reproducing the virus. Eventually the cell divides or explodes, releasing many copies of the infected code. This is how a whole organism can become infected with a single virus; the code has iterated millions of times. The strategy of these Internet viral manifestos is to use the iterative potential of the computer nets to spread memes about viruses housed within units that are themselves viruses. The virus 23 strain even makes reference to chaos math and the predictions of some fractal influenced observers that the world itself will reach a critical mathematical moment of “singularity” near the turn of the millennium. The virus writer exploits a chaotic device—the computer-generated media virus—to spread the conceptual and spiritual implications of chaos mathematics.

Sound familiar? There's even explicit references to chaos. This book was one of the major templates used by Russia to engineer the Cult of Kek, which is an intentional fascist corruption of Discordianism.

Another link between Russian propaganda and Discordianism:

https://medium.com/@StealThisSingul/operation-mindfuck-was-too-successful-r-u-sirius-interviewed-by-douglas-rushkoff-6607e4edc522

>R.U. SIRIUS: Probably, yeah. If you follow some of the ideological discourse from people who are really influential in Russia, it’s postmodernism and Operation Mindfuck in the service of amoral raw power and political strategy. I know secondhand that there are people in Putin’s mindtrust who have read their Leary and their Discordianism and so forth and they are following a chaos strategy for disrupting the American consensus… or however you want to phrase the collapsing neoliberal order. And not collapsing towards a good end.

And another link between Russia and chaos magic:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/10/dugins-occult-fascism-and-the-hijacking-of-left-anti-imperialism-and-muslim-anti-salafism/

>Here a heretofore undiscussed facet of this development will be broached (a guiding feature informing the subtext of Duginism’s ‘beyond left and right’ ideological catchall); and, that is, the Duginist appropriation of a primarily western occultist framework (and specifically the worldview of Chaos magic) and its transformation by the Duginists into a strategy for political action in the service of the Fascist Internationale.
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>>15201
Here is a link to the chapter from Futureculture: https://pastebin.com/4s91qRn6
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>>15201
hey op what do you think of my meme. pic rel
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In a world of dynamic interconnectedness and emergent complexity, memes do very little I think, or rather, do not have as much influence as we might give them credit for. This is how I see it: if memes cannot inspire enlightenment, how would they inspire madness? 

It seems self determination dies under memetic warfare. Yet humans have 'lost their senses' for things like nations, ideologies, martyrs, religions, etm... and those are the worse memes of all, I think. Then again, in the spirit of processes, wildfires clear the fields and clean the forests of choking briars for new life.

Perhaps this wild chaos in the world is just a greater harmony we have yet to see?
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>>15205
Did this bitch just recycle Stirner?
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