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>Did any of you practice that magic stuff?
The chaotic material world is stranger than magic. Even if I say it with a k

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Such practices may yield wisdom and love and power. But be wary of conmen, especially if you get your sources anywhere but the horse's mouth. 

Personally, I try to recommend people stay away from mysticism. In most cases I've seen, it can be a rabbit-hole that people lose themselves entirely in. They come out of practices ignorant or off worse than when they started. With any positive potential being negated. 
It's beneficial to some extent and can even be life altering. But it can get out of hand or even have negative effects if you have no idea what you're doing, are unprepared, or don't guard yourself from things like confirmation bias. The worst I've seen is uncontrolled passions, deep depression and regressive behavior. This is why most people should just lightly meditate and go to therapy, if anything. (and some mystics would benefit from a therapy session or 2, I think). 

In the end, all magic is just psychodrama. Yet all creation is magical and occult and psychedelic. That's not to say magic isn't real, nor that any practice cannot have profound effects if done properly. I have a preference for Spare's particular occult works, personally. But I also dabble with others if I feel they're up to snuff.
If you are dead set on practicing anything occult...(which I doubt, re-reading your post) I'd say start with simple meditation. Nothing extreme, just simple, deep breathing exercises and maybe some hatha yoga or weight lifting. Most people don't need anything more than that.

In the words of Linji "If you meet the Buddha, kill him."

Magikc is religion for people who want to feel more speshul and apart from the herd.

>>1375
the mystical/material divide is the greatest delusion introduced by the so-called enlightenment. We've now got like ten generations of scientists that don't know they are alchemists and "mages" that don't know the first thing about the forces they purport to control.

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I read a couple of post golden dawn and post modern magic books (dion fornute,crowley,another one I can't remember the name, sorcerer's handbook or something like that, although of course I don't know much about the GD system) the sorcerer book used GD techniques with tantric Buddhism and Voodoo with theosophical beliefs or something like that.
In one part he mentions a brief breathing that he says causes an altered state of consciousness, I have the tendency to look for the psychophysical explanation to everything rather than to insert a "spook" where it is not explained. Something tells me that "breath" occurs due to lack of oxygen and swallowing saliva (sounds similar to a method of the Chinese rather than Buddhist tantra but something will be related) causes this altered state of consciousness.
In another he says to focus on the "spirits" at the edges of our peripheral vision, the irony is that this is nowadays explained by science as eyestrain and pareidodelias caused by pure mechanism to look for patterns (RAW in a text about looking for numbers when walking outside talks about this, similar to apophenias) since then I stopped considering it a good book because it starts saying "Don't believe" and ends saying "There are spirits" removing any possibility of suspension of belief or alternatives by the author (crowley was more nice at this approach)

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>>1378
I tried to find a book that tried to explain it in less suspicious ways and find nothing. Although I found more explanations in psychology and meditations.
>Tulpa
The most brutal thing I read was the extreme traumatic forcing methods of tulpas which were not so far from a ritual to invoke the HGA (the original jewish-christian angel, not thelema crow-ouly angel but still similar) literal extreme fasting, isolation and forcing. Something tells me it atrophies the brain and even they suggest it as dangerous to health lol
>Also
Then I also read about visualizations and how surrealists and writers seemed to use these techniques to create their paracosms. Seems like a common world building thing nowadays. Then I read about anthropology and religion and magical thinking. That apotropaic and sympathetic magic always existed for us. And lastly I read about jung and active imagination which for tulpamancers sounds like a method of forcing lol.
>At the end...
Of course I ended up reading about mythology, comparative mythology, the Indo-Europeans and Proto-Indo-Europeans. I just can't stop seeing it as mindfuck art of your own mind.

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>>1378
My problem with Crowley is that not always serious, I think. Book 4: Magick has been the easiest to digest book I've read, occult-wise. 

One series of books I've found informative are works by William Walker Atkinson under the pseudonym Yogi Ramachakra. He has a very academic approach, and is pretty dry here and there. I've only read his pieces on Raja Yoga and Prana Yoga. Even though he's certainly a fanboy of yogi culture, I've found them both beneficial and bereft of most occult psychology pomp (albeit he does talk about 'energy' on occasion.) I still use some of his prana exercises to this day

I've found Process Philosophy is also more beneficial than most occult books.

as years pass i've come too see wisdom in a perspective held by many buddhists
>yeah, of course that stuff is real
>but does acknowledging it help to ease the suffering of this world?
>then why focus upon it?

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>>1380
Well, the new thought movement used auto-suggestion techniques, faith, visualizations and mental tricks.
It is basically what was left over from Christian mysticism post quasi-Buddhist theosophy yogi fan culture(now im remebering krishnnamurti withdraw from theosophy)
I wouldn't say it goes the route of theurgy or magic so much as mind-fucking.
Maybe dream routines or something.
Although I'm sure some authors explain yogic or meditation techniques like that breathing thing you say.
I admit that I do not hold the new thought in high esteem, especially when they use ideas of psychoanalysis of the unconscious that are no longer used or dream theories already discarded or they want to shoehorn in Jesus and apologism or "energies".
Generally my brain goes on alert when I start to identify the techno-babble attempted by pseudoscience. Something similar happened to me when I read dion fortune yoga of the west(I didn't know much at that time about the ceremonial background-lore but reading three, kaballah, yoga, occident, made me laugh in a hippie new age sense bacause no f sense)
and when they start bringing in the quantum mysticism stuff that just gives me a migraine.
I don't know why it's so hard to separate quantum psi from scam quantum mysticism.
They even get it right with chemistry and alchemy... ignoring those new age and Chinese inner alchemists.
Maybe reading RAW quantum psychology can (migraine) mindfuck me. But still the wikipedia summary gives me bad techno babble vibes.
>Also
It is curious but Hubbard, after creating scientology, went into his own mind-washing religion group with pop psychology and philosophy of thelema and sci-fi.
I guess I'm still more of a rational psychonautic with brain stuff but there is something about the rituals that is cool, probably schizoid control.
Maybe is just psychodrama (schizoid drama? lol)
>Process philosophy
Ok, I'll read that. I just hope it doesn't have a E-dual negative version or something lol
Thanks.

Me jacking off nonstop 2 times on a Sunday morning at 7 is Magic & stamina

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Fucking Goddamn Wikipedia-Nigger,
I wipe my Ass with PieceOfShit-Pedia & I wipe my Ass with your dead mothers corpse,
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>>1395
haha stay mad you dying old nerd

>>1394
>nonstop 2 times
how did you do it two times if you never stopped?
are you one of those two-vagina women I've been hearing about?