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Once one accepts that there is no afterlife and a person, if even it is correct to claim to have ever existed, ceases to be at the point of death, it becomes clear that sacrificing yourself for something or someone is the most basic bitch trite bullshit. Like who the fuck cares, the person who died absolutely will not because they are no longer. So why would I care? "But she gave up what was most important to her -- her own life!" will claim some sentimental imbecile. But guess what? She is no longer, she cannot miss her life. "But if she was still, she would miss it." But she is not, and potentialities are bullshit. Just because I imagine how potentially good it would feel if you sucked my dick, it won't make you suck it, will it? So why are we talking about what could have been when it is clear what just happened, some dumbass died and it cost them nothing because they are dead, yet you imbeciles still try to pretend that their death was some great sacrifice even though dying is the easiest and most inconsequential thing to do that hurts only those who do not die.
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Have you considered that some people enjoy living and intend to live for a longer time?
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>>1464
Have you considered that it does not matter because once they are dead, they cannot be disappointed about not having lived longer?
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I like the argument against suicide and martyrdom. Both do seem very foolish to me, too.

I think the existence of the afterlife is entirely absurd. This is why I do believe in the afterlife, to some extent. I agree that death is illusory only because life is illusory. But being illusion myself, both seem real to me.

I can believe with death sensation of the body ends. But what of the self that animated that flesh? I think it arrogant to assume existence for the dead ends because they have left our perspectives and no longer react to us. Surely anything as universal as death cannot be anything but a part of existence also, as much as birth.

I would rather assume that this reality (of finite matter and entropy) about us is the afterlife and we have all already died once.


>Just because I imagine how potentially good it would feel if you sucked my dick, it won't make you suck it, will it? 
That's what magick is all about. More or less, at least.
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>Once one accepts that there is no afterlife
Now, that is an absurd proposition.
>>1465
Sure, but there is a period of time between their decision to die and their actual death. Giving one's life isn't usually for a nice peaceful fast death like in romantic cinema.

You can trivialize this as short or ultimately inconsequential as t->infinity, but it's real.
>>1466
>I like the argument against suicide
As for suicide, I dismiss almost all cases of suicide as selfish fuckery. Society requires many types of work which demand death or the risk of death. Things like uprooting organized crime (including CEOs). So if someone suffers anguish, they should at least help those they (by self-declaration) care about on their way out.

Yes, you scream, 'but they have no reason to care about anyone else or society after their death!'. So what?
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>>1462 (OP) 
>Just because I imagine how potentially good it would feel if you sucked my dick, it won't make you suck it, will it?
Can I still suck it?
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>>1465
except for the suicidal, the continuance of conscious experience is essentially the most precious thing possible. Being certain of your own imminent death, not in the abstract but as a real thing that's going to happen to you later today, is one of the most horrifying things you can experience. We can acknowledge that a person felt some awful feelings in their final moments and feel sorry for them even if they are not currently feeling any awful feelings.

>>1469
strewth m8. Suicide is almost always selfish.
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>>1471
Death is only scary if you believe in a negative afterlife. Those who believe in a positive afterlife are glad to die, and those who do not believe in any form of afterlife simply do not care.
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>>1472
>death is only scary if you believe in a negative afterlife
This is not even remotely close to true, for reasons I stated in the post you replied to and apparently didn't read.
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>>1470
I mean, if someone was willing to die or otherwise fuck up their whole life so I could have a better one I'd suck their straw. Just look at our main man gioni.
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>>1474
That:s just another reason nwhy giving your life is dumb. Just get gaoled or escape and reap the rewards of your action. Get your dipstick dipped.
>>1473
You did not give any reasons. I understand that you are unable to comprehend nonexistence but that does not mean that others cannot do it either.
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>>1476
>You did not give any reasons.

Let us take a closer look at the post you claim to have read, shall we?

>>1471
>except for the suicidal, the continuance of conscious experience is essentially the most precious thing possible.

Wow, that sure looks like a reason to me.
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>>1462 (OP) 
Is death in battle(as in last man standing vs the enemy army despite doomed odds) a folly? 
I have heard rumors that blonde armored babes carry the souls of slain warriors to a party bar to have endless beer, sex and fighting
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it all depends on your values. 
stories that involve death are ment to pull your focus away from the person to something beyond themselves. 
some like to point to the uncaring nature and indifference of the universe, which I think is what you are implying. 
others will point to values. 
Like love, or justice, or peace, or freedom. 
These stories it seems are the only way that these values are quantified. 
And maybe values aren't inherent to an uncaring universe. 
But while you are alive, they seem to matter a great deal.
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>>1479
That was addressed already in >>1472. Those who do not believe in an afterlife, have no reason to fear death or to want to prolong their existence.

>>1484
This thread is concerned specifically with those who are not deluded into thinking there's anything after death, so no blonde hotties I'm afraid.
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>>1469
It seems to me that you imply that is death is only worthwhile if the life lived is worthwhile. Penitent altruism seems an odd solution to the call of the void.
Still I am confused. You told us someone giving their life or sacrificing themselves for someone/ something else is 'basic bitch trite bullshit'. Would not a dangerous, fatal occupation/altruistic charity yield the same result; a martyr, a suicide, a sacrifice, a life given up? 
Is death only worth it if it yields a saved/helped life?
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>>1486
>Those who do not believe in an afterlife, have no reason to fear death or to want to prolong their existence.
Nonsense. Because people do not believe in afterlives they are more prone to fear death. If all that exists is what is sensed, and there exists nothing beyond death: prolonging life seems logical. In this sense, death is to be avoided by any means necessary.

If one does believe in an afterlife, what need he fear from death? What inspiration exists to prolong life when paradise is but a breath away? Belief of the life after death would alleviate that fear, surely. The freedom from earthly pain and struggle unto harmony and tranquility and resolution might be naïve but I cannot see where fear dives in. The only people among this set I could imagine fearing death are those who also believe in afterlives of eternal punishment (and wish to avoid theirs).

I will admit that sacrificing one's life for an eternity of sex and partying or eternal peace seems a very, very steep gamble of certainty. But then again every single hope looks like a bad gamble to the dour.
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>>1486
>That was addressed already in >>1472.
No it wasn't. Again you seem to have trouble with reading. My entire point is that the cessation of your life is what's scary about death, not what comes after, if anything comes after at all. This is because the continuance of life is, for anyone that is not suicidally depressed, the most precious thing.

In fact, I argue that most people who are afraid of going to hell are actually afraid of the cessation of life, and most people who believe they are going to heaven are only telling themselves that to make it easier to face that fear.
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>>1491
Sorry, I was too charitable in my interpretation of your post. It is evident to anyone capable of rational thought that the cessation of one's own life is not something that one can experience. It can only be scary if one clings to some supernatural notion that it is only one's "life" that ceases be, but some other, aware part of one is prolonged in some other form -- that is, a belief in afterlife.
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>>1488
What if you died this instant? You couldn't regret not having lived longer as you would no longer be.
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>>1493
That's scary to think about.
>>1492
>It is evident to anyone capable of rational thought that the cessation of one's own life is not something that one can experience.
You can, however, experience utter certainty that the cessation of life is imminent, and it is the worst experience possible. We are frequently scared of things that we have not actually experienced; arguably, you can only be scared of things that are not actually happening or have not happened yet. You have fundamentally misunderstood what fear is, it seems.
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>>1493
Dying is apart of living. What could there be to regret?
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>>1493
I would agree I could not regret my life from the world beyond the rivers of death, regardless what could wait for me there. I'd imagine I'd be busy dealing with that existence.
Even though I am not a necronaut, and never been to the underworld; I am willing to bet the afterlife, like the rest of reality, doesn't run on bureaucratic moral philosophy.

If I were to die now, I can't see what I could regret besides the accounts of ignorance and inaction in my life (of which I have a decent list). But why does this matter? I live deeply as I live now. How greedy to demand more. 

What makes regret so vital to living for you?
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>>1496
>Dying is apart of living.
Nice pun.
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>>1495
I know that people are afraid of death. But they have no reason to be, and if they bothered to think it through instead of wallowing in their self-imposed misery, they would get over it pretty quickly.

The point is not that you have not experienced it yet, but that you can not experience it. It is impossible. One's own death cannot be negative or positive, it escapes all judgement.
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>>1498
That guy looks like Stalin.
>>1499
>But they have no reason to be
The reason is very obvious: they don't want to die, more than they want anything else, but they will have to anyway.

>but that you can not experience it.
For reasons stated before, knowledge of the fact that you will not actually experience something does not necessarily make it less scary. Even if you are fully aware that the people in the mirror are just reflections and won't blink at you, the idea that they will is still unnerving. For death in particular, the fact that your conscious experience will end is precisely what is scary.

Philosophizing away the terror of death doesn't make it go away, any more than believing you're going to go to heaven and bang hookers for eternity.
>life
>death
>wordswordswords
What is with this grayfacery?
An affront to goddess!
Choose your false idols carefully...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hzvq17xDJ8
That's all I'm sayin'
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death is a fnord

look at the reactions it makes in us
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