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Did any of you get into ceremonial magic or magick?
This year I read tons of e-books and essays on the subject and only learned about meditation techniques that have certain effects on the body and mind and maybe behaviour (and one two thousand of boring dogmas of how (maybe) the universe work or what you need you believe to make thing works)
>Also
Although I have a very scientific background to just "Belief", I also ended up learning about clinical hypnosis and achieved some fun effects like the ideomotor reflex or proggresive relaxation.
And no, I didn't manage to invoke or evoke anything, although ending up with the delusion of a tulpa and singing like an elf from Lord of the Rings with a hippie new ager vibe were fun experiences.

Other than that, I just ended up reading about ideologies, dogmas, superstitions, ancient beliefs of metapsychs, and magical thinking.

I've practically come to the (maybe) conclusion that it's all a psychodrama and mind games with special techniques, although I share the ideas of the original chaos magic. Sometimes i was just
>“For Eris, this shit of reciting barbaric languages and words in Hebrew and greek that i dont fucking know is boring as hell, i dont see anything in my mind eye.” "I tired of this bullshit i gonna make DIY LBRP call-in wathever i want"

>"Why i need to do a pathwork into a kabbalah tree to gain some energy sphere power?" "FUCK THIS shit i gonna watch porn"

>"I rlly need to do all of that boring dance and visualizations and sing to banish this damn place?" "*open the windows, play metal, hardbass, happycore, trance music, do a Expecto patronum or kamehameha simulation and hit a wall with laugh and cry to banish the place*"

I also ended up reading a little about new thought, sects and cults, new age and conspiracies. It was a fun year in my experience.

All it's just a Psychodrama? I dont feel so much special just doing these things. Even the catholic mass is in a way a magick ritual or a mere psychodrama.
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>>4230 (OP) 
Well, as RAW (or others) said, communication only occurs between equals. i started bad bacause i dont get a shit.
>Where did you start reading about magick or ceremonial magic?
When I was about 12, I ended up surfing the internet on a site that offered PDF books. I ended up downloading two by

>Dion Fortune (Aka post-Golden Dawn and Psychoanalysis Post-Crowley perspective of magic mixed up with Theosophy and Jew-Christianity and Indian things)
one book was on the topic of
>Manual of psychic defense
which I found ridiculous, although I followed it to the letter to experiment and ended up becoming paranoid (in short... low steem as kid and magical thinkin, not a healthy book for start and to much woo-woo for a kid)
The other was called something like
>“secret Yoga of the West.”
I barely read a couple of pages before closing it and deleting it bacause it a insame mix of beliefs that doesn't make any fuckin sense
But at that age i dont know about the Magic lore and jargon and thing Dion and other magician do or believe to make sense of the thing they write. maybe they just want to make a religion and do money or sell crystal like new agers but i dont know.

>My opinion
My opinion is that I thought Dion Fortune was a beautiful person but incredibly racist. The reason? She was part of that era, and form part of theosophical movement with some pretty radical ideas. Too Christian to me, too psychoanalysis to me.

>What did you learn from Dion?
That magick can be a mind and psychological phenomena if you want.
>Also
Then as adult I ended up consulting some books by Dion out of curiosity to see their correspondences idea and whether they were similar to those in Crowley's Liber 777.
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>>4231
>Second first(maybe) start to magick
Without giving up, I kept searching online and found a video on YouTube that raved about a book called
>The Kybalion.
I went ahead and got it, and it was just simple metaphysics. To be honest, I liked Newton's physics better.
Then I found out that it was a repackaged book of secret masonry (maybe) into a hermetic aesthetic by a guy named
>William Walker Atkinson
which disappointed me because it wasn't real “hermeticism,” with real magic but oh well, maybe more magick (or cult) lore...

>My opinion
I read other books by the author, and he taught other things that are along the lines of hypnosis (or mesmer) and affirmations and maybe meditation, but nothing different from other new age or new toughts belief. just mentalism and belief, typical LOA.

>What did you learn from W.W.Atkinson?
eh, nothing, new thought is so boring to me. but the magical jargon and lore of them was fun, but not too fun. its like a liberal mix up of christian science with hypnosis or mesmerism with technobabble.
>Also
I ended up as adult reading a little about Goddard after noticing that some of Prometheus Rising exercises of RAW resembled those of Goddard (the ladder of Goddard and the find-coin of RAW). It was fun, although I didn't read any more by these religious authors and it didn't spark my curiosity.
Many of them were, not ironically, con artists who ended up exploiting the “secret” movement.
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>>4232
>third first(maybe, again) start to magick
At this point, I was already very tired, and I ended up reading a blogspot full of wonders about the foundation of modern magic in a place called Golden Dawn.
I ended reading about book of these strange heterodox magical Masonic order by
>Israel Regardie
I didn't understand anything at all, although the ironic thing is that I realized that each member of the order had their own perception of magic.
At a certain point later on, I understood that they were doing chaos magic, trying things out and mixing them together.
>well...
I don't have much to say here. Israel Regardie is philosophically heavy and was a fan of Crowley. Later, he shared the psychological ideas of magic of crowley. I was never really interested in it, to be honest, but it's fun to read if you know the jargon.
>Also
The first thing that occurred to me was that I realized that to perform magic, one had to be part of a family, be initiated into a heterodox pseudo-Masonic magical order, or read the books to the letter. I didn't have the time or the age for such bizarre things.
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>>4233
>The Golden Dawn and Pals of inner order
One thing I ended up doing later was to look into the origins and practices of the Golden Dawn. Apparently, they date back to another order
although they used Francis Barrett's The Magus (even though they claimed to use Aggripa's Three (or Four) Books of Magic and Occult Philosophy, they actually used John Barrett's copycat version) and some Levi books.
>out of curiosity... John smith the founder of the mormon church used The magus sometimes...

>What's the Golden Dawn from my point of view?
A Protestant Christian magical order that used a strange mixture of ideas from Western magic(Greek-Pseudo-Egyptian-Christian-Jewish and some Indian mysticism), Christian Kabbalah, Christian mysticism, Chinese energy practices, Jung ideas and Indian practices. I may be forgetting something, but I lost interest because it was too cultish for me.
Most rituals and practices seemed to be improvised or made up just in the time, but it is incredible how they influenced other later practices and lodges thanks to the in-filter of Crowley The Equinox.
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>>4234
>fourth first (maybe, again and again and again) start to magick
Extremely tired, I ended up reading about Crowholy-cow and his strange New Aeon pre-hippie cult. I started following his A∴A∴ training manual to the letter, but I ended up getting bored with all the jargon and strange invocations.
I realized later that this wasn't a magical order but a religion. Even getting the physical books can be a problem because if you buy them online, a group like the O.T.O. (eyes of today) will claim copyright if they want.
>What happened
Well, I quickly moved on from this because I was disappointed not to find magic anywhere, it's more like a religion than anything (I would discover The Magus by Barret, and the books of Aggripa much later).
>Later...
I tried reading some of the books recommended by Crowley but ended up disappointed because it was a mix-up that I couldn't understand. On the one hand, it had Christian practices from Loyola (visualizations similar to those of the astral-imaginative body) to Raja-yoga and Prayanama practices and a lot more of philosophy and metapyschs. Crowley was dense as fuck.
At this time I have the techniques but not the context and why.
>Also
One thing that became tempting and appealing to me was Crowley philosophy influence. The guy basically said that everyone should do their own thing (Will), and he was very experimental with magic (almost reaching the point of chaos magic). The problem was that it degenerated into a religion and then became incredibly boring with all the jargon and religious seriousness. Although the bastard still retained his sense of humor even after becoming the leader of a religion.
I was surprised that he even ignored the classical magic correspondences and created his own; basically, he created his own entire system of things
It seems that he largely created his system thanks to gematria, personal magical revelations, stealing ideas from other magicians (research where the saying that every man is a star comes from, from a woman), stealing philosophy, and even modifying rituals for more religious focus.
>My opinion
Crowholy was an eye (asshole) but was a fun enlightened human at times.
>What did you learn from Pope Therion?
that life shouldn't be taken so seriously. I ended up more interested in psychonautics than magick. ah... and kinda get a lot of reference for meditation and techniques.
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>>4235
>Last approach to magick
At this point, several years had passed, and I devoted myself solely to trying out meditation techniques and occasionally attempting to read something about Thelema. I discovered that Wicca was an offshoot of Thelema but a little more feminist.
I continued reading about magic, but it was nothing more than history, sociology, memetics, superstitions, and Western esotericism academic studies.

No one could agree on what magic was. Some said it involved harnessing occult cosmic forces (very traditional and focused on invocations and evocations of demons or spirits or angels, inteligences, planets,etc), others that it was manifestation or LOA (new thought, perhaps), and others that it was daily work of will (Some Thelemite topic)
Every decade, someone changed something. For some, it was psychological; for others, it was hidden occult forces; for others, it was “I don't know, I didn't do it, it just works.”

Reading and reading, I ended up with a random PDF on archive.org about something called “Principia Discordia.” I read it, liked it, and did some research. I ended up with half a dozen pocket-sized conspiracies and reading about some Popes and...
>Robert Anton Wilson
If Crowley was dense to read, RAW is twice as dense but funnier. I ended up reading almost all of his books and publications in Falcon Press.
I ended up understanding that magic was just about making changes in my own nervous system and that I shouldn't take my ideas too seriously.

i finish reading more about
>Chaos magic
I had already read some popular books such as Liber Null and Psychonaut, but they had no effect on me. Later, I realized that some books were part of “chaotic magic orders lodges” and that was why they made no sense. Order make no fucking sense in magick, they turn all the thing into dogma and boring.
>Also
Later i come back to continue telling you everything I did and didn't do during this process of the path of schizophrenia, tears and laughs.
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>>4236
Well, I'm back. Now I'm going to tell you about my first magical (or paranormal or dissociative neuropsychological) experience.

>how to summon a shadow person in your bedroom and shit bricks
First, I will tell you my list of correspondences, not in the sense of Swedenborg or Crowley. You will not need Liber 777 or read the value of the essences of things in any of those books.
>Be me
>11 years old
>Puverty and hormones in the max
>Family problems, bad califications in school problems, a lot of problems, bad mood, emotional neglect, etc...
>Bad sleep, no friends... more problems
This is the Psychological correspondences (or half of the materialistic-scientific explanation)
Now the paranormal correspondences
>A friend of my mother's who is involved in Yoruba (or Umbanda, I don't remember the exact African cult) gave me a San Benito protection necklace as a gift.
Since I've been wearing that piece of junk, absolutely everything has been going wrong in the house and my life(maybe)

Well, that day, the day was ending and I had already fought with my mother and my grandmother, the day had been awful and I was trying to sleep but I was quite anxious. Then something strange started to happen, like a weird change in the atmosphere. take notes of the correspondences

>My bedroom was cold or started to become more cold
>I was very uncomfortable, as if there was something next to my skin or body
>All positions in bed were uncomfortable; I was overly agitated bad breathing, as if in a state of flight and danger.
>The Room was strangely dark but not too dark
I turned on the light for a while and tried to relax, but it didn't work. It was already very late and I was practically staying up all night; I hadn't slept at all. My eyes were dry and I was tired but agitated.
Anyway, I turn off the light
>then after a while the cold gets worse
>I stare at a corner of the room next to my bed very anxious (maybe tryng to find the Tiger hidden in the grass who knows)
And there the motherfuckers appears
>Then I begin to see the outline of what looks like something humanoid
>*Panic and anxiety arising*
>I close my eyes to pretend it's just my imagination.
>I feel something like a hand begin to run across my chest, moving toward my neck
>I open the eyes and still see the humanoid form but not close to me
>and then a hand-feeling start to move on the bed and moves it to my neck and the hand slighty press my neck and then something like an arm presses down the bed.
I woke up and I started cursing at whatever was there and turned on the light. i just wake up like a soldier in a trench fleeing from mustard gas and let out a cry of cowardice.
My mother got out of bed, distraught, I cried like a little girl, and my mother made a long effort to calm me down. and we spent a few hours talking, and I told her about the shit I saw and felt. She told me that she also felt terrible about everything.
She came to the conclusion that it was the necklace's fault, took it off me, and according to her, I let out a sigh of relief as if I had been possessed by some kind of evil. I slept peacefully after that. My mother threw the necklace and other (magical) junk that her friend had given her into a river and set fire to the rest (according to her, she saw a demonic shape in the fire when she burned some things, and to be honest, I can believe her).
>My opinion
I think my emotional state, combined with my crazy hormones, ended up invoking that thing. The pressure from the bed was due to the springs (they were super uncomfortable) and the temperature changes. To be honest, I never noticed it being so cold in my room.
As for the necklace, I don't know, maybe it was cursed, who knows. After this experience, ironically, I became a little more rational instead of more superstitious. I started to change my sleeping habits and research these things. Ironically, psiconautwiki helped me calm down later.
>But
I dont know. The Jungian shadow? Chorozon? A paranormal spiritualist phenomenon? Bad energy? A curse? Did I unconsciously evoke something by performing the entire ritual process? i dont know.
>Maybe
This was my first successful magical ritual.
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>>4238
I ended up becoming interested in Buddhist things, so I started meditating with some guides.
>Meditation (anapasanti and vippasana)

>A Jhana or too much focus, maybe
One day, I suddenly found myself meditating for about 30 minutes, counting my inhalations and exhalations, and at one point I stopped hearing the stimuli around me. It was absurdly pleasant, but I never had that experience again. I read somewhere that this could have been jhana or an advanced state of concentration, but who knows? It was like when you're asleep (at least Zen masters say it's like sleeping. very fun

>Bliss or Mudita(maybe)
Another day, I simply started breathing and didn't count my breaths. I was quite tense for a while, but I decided to stay like that for about three hours. The funny thing was when I felt an enormous sensation of heat in my neck and back, followed by goose bumps. It felt incredible; there's no way to describe it (poetically speaking, that kundalini thing sounds similar to me, but nah) very high experience of happyness.

>Dark night of the soul or how i got self rekt mindfucked by dopamine going down
The bad thing about this is that after this incredible experience, I had a kind of depression in which I was very sad and fatigued. I don't know if it's what they call the dark night of the soul, but for me it was just a drop in dopamine that my brain couldn't handle. Anyway, don't spend hours meditating and extend the time little by little. There are studies that say that meditation is sometimes not so healthy for people with certain disorders.
>Also
Sometimes I meditate, and it feels like you start to see the whole picture of stimuli and increase your attention a little more and respond fast and relaxed. Although there are times when, rather than being attentive, I am more distracted and in tense mode.
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>>4239
Well, a few years later, at the age of 23, I began to seriously investigate what I had read about Crowley's manuals, Liber Null, and other books. To be honest, I thought they were ridiculous, but it wasn't until I started reading about psychological research on Eastern practices that I began to take it seriously(bad idea) out of curiosity.
so first experience

>Eye gaze (Tatrak Kriya-Sadhana(Yoga), Wall-Gazing(Zen), Kasina(Buddhism) and sometimes Scrying side effects for the westerns
The truth is, I really wanted to take the Buddhist kasina approach. I dont have money for candles and looking the wall sound edgy to me.
I started practicing by looking at a small white pearl and meditating for about 50 days, taking notes on whatever I saw, during 30 min or 1 hour and more time.
>Around day 25
I started to see purple and red colors and other things in the pearl (like a 3D effect). When I closed my eyes, I could still see the shape of the pearl after a minutes, similar to a retinal burn when you see a light. Buddhists call this in some way in their open-sans-script mother language.
>anyway
The days passed and I got bored with it. I didn't notice anything else interesting about this effect and realized I could achieve it with other things than just a pear. To tell the truth, it's similar to seeing auras sometimes like there's other second form around things. Among the effects I noticed were that what I saw could disappear, shine a little more, and have strange colors, although this depended on the ambient light and whether my eyes were tired. I managed to keep my eyes open for 1 minute and 30 seconds.
I started doing it with a wall like Zen monks do, and it was the same thing. It's relaxing, although sometimes it made me a little tense.
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Is my party trick a ceremonial magic?
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>>4241
Hi Patrick, The ceremony is just fluff, you can made all up. just dont bore me.
>>4240
>Shadow hand or how my brain started to search for the tiger in the grass
After continuing to experiment with this gaze techniques, one day I found myself staring at my closet door in the dark not too dark and everything was normal. I had read somewhere that mastering the gaze allowed magicians to enter the other world and see the shadows of the astral plane at the edges of their eyes (this seemed stupid to me and maybe there's a psychological explanation without fluff woo-woo babble).
>The thing
The problem was that while I was staring at my closet door, I noticed that my vision was getting darker, and there were no changes in the light in the room or anything like that; it was my vision.
At a certain point, the window in my room moved and made a slight noise, and I could swear that(me) with all the attention in the world, I saw a fucking shadow hand in the corner of the room that excited me to fear. That's when I realized what they meant by astral shadows. It's just the brain trying to find patterns to find the hidden tiger in the grass.
>Also
I figured this is the technique that scryers and summoners use during rituals to summon spirits-demons-angels in incense smoke. but maybe they buff the technique by ritual, altered state of mind and perfumes (art of permufe or something like this is called)

There are people with certain disorders who do this naturally. Even you can do it without much training when you are very tired and get up in the morning or night. You just have to pay more attention.
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>>4242
>Scrying
One very boring day, and feeling a little scared, I decided to take the mirror from my bathroom and start looking at myself standing in front of it. At one point, I didn't notice anything, although I think my gaze was becoming more intense than normal.

I remember that in one of Crowley's texts, he complained about how difficult it was to create the body of light and that the best way to strengthen it was through invocation. He criticized the GD for including useless methods such as staring into a mirror for hours.

>scrying test
I began to speculate that the paranormal effect was caused by the levels of light against the mirror and the view. So I started experimenting with different types of light like that shadow hand.

>First attempt
On my first attempt, I decided to take the mirror to my bed and look at my whole body while sitting down. As I looked, my eyes became very uncomfortable. So I extended the time
>at a certain point
I noticed how all my skin turned black like the void, but my eyes remained white. (The experience was terrifying at first, pure bliss later and incredibly satisfying).
>Another day
I tried doing it with my face closer to the mirror. time passed and my eyes turned as black as possible, and my skin remained the same. It felt like those possession movies with dark eyes, but I started laughing like an idiot, and the fear went away.
>In the pure shadow or how i made a friendship with the shadow
One night I woke up and went to the bathroom to pee, but I didn't turn on the light and just stared at the mirror out of pure curiosity. There was some light, and I stood there staring at the mirror for a while. After a few seconds, I noticed a humanoid shape next to me, which I obviously realized was me.
I didn't feel afraid or anything; I even found it funny. I raised my hand to wave and turned on the light.

Would you like to replicate this phenomenon at home? I recommend reading this.
https://neuromagick.com/black-mirror-scrying/

>Scrying but a company in a ritual
I was reading a couple of academic texts on Buddhist magic, and they also practiced scrying.
even in India and Persia, One of their famous methods, which was passed down from the Persians to the Indians to Buddhists in some popular areas, was to use a child as a medium, and a man standing beside him would give him orders to look into a mirror or a bowl of water.
Many cultures in different eras used the same method, which I found curious.
>The most curious thing?
Our magician friend (and sometimes an eye) Poke Runyon
He discovered this same method for invoking deities and shared it in a documentary. you just need another person next to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=vpV7wfwMIiE
Min 1:01:32
>PD: He explain this method in the full documentary
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>>4243
Buddhists have a practice called metta
It is basically a form of concentration and a way of cultivating kindness. They simply repeat beautiful phrases, trying to cultivate certain qualities, and then try to apply good wishes toward others (but according to Buddhist philosophy, these wishes or phrases are not magical, and one must be aware that others will achieve good things through their own responsibility and not because of one's good wishes; this prevents attachment to others).

>Metta
This practice seemed like self-affirmations to me at first. I thought it was ridiculous, but I couldn't help trying it. I spent several days trying different phrases from monks that I found on the internet, and I never noticed any interesting effects. It was incredibly boring. According to the texts, if one has a lot of aversion, the practice of metta changes its focus to oneself, others, or animals, or it is not practiced at all.
>How i made it work
One day, I tried again the practice and was about to give up because it wasn't working.
then out of nowhere, from a fleeting memory I remembered that Crowley (and Aggripa, but I didn't know him yet) mentioned something about concentrating on the vowels, the intonation, and the dramatic tone and power effect of the voice during evocation.
So, out of curiosity, I began to wonder
>how are Buddhists in temples supposed doing this?
I started practicing again, but this time I began to focus on extending the vowels (A E I O U) and singing as if I were a monk in a temple and do a focus on people i love (i dont have that much visualization but you know)
In a couple of minutes, I felt an incredible sensation, like when you wake up in the morning and see the sunlight and everything is shining. Pure happiness, buddhist call it mudita, maybe. I ended up sleeping peacefully after that. This happened to me about three times, but then I stopped practicing metta for other things.
>Also

>GPR
The Gnostic Pentagram Ritual has a similar focus on vowels and singing, and I would say it had the same effect. It is assumed that by singing, meditating, and doing other things, one is stimulating the vagus nerve. If this is true, it is incredibly satisfying.

>Mongolian chant
The mongolian do a similar practice of singing with or without guturals, you can check it.

>Overtone singing
This is a variation of the technique, i do this sometimes and is incredible satisfying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haz6W7p8xjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC9Qh709gas
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>>4244
>Also
RAW was doing something similar to Metta in the end of his book Cosmic Trigger: The final secret of the illuminati.

>Lucid Dream
One day I was trying to sleep, I fell asleep, I woke up at night needing to urinate, and I had been in the habit of drinking water before going to sleep for days.
I peed, barely looked at the bathroom light, and went back to sleep. Then I drank water again because I was thirsty.
I went back to sleep and BAM, I was having a dream that I could control. It felt very strange. Then I woke up and went to pee again, repeating the same process and continuing the dream.
I don't have to explain much. If you want to try these techniques, check out 
https://www.psychonaut.tech/docs/guides/dreaming/

>OBE and Lucid dream
One day I was trying to sleep and because I was uncomfortable, I ended up with my head under the sheets and it was messing up my breathing. What happened? Well, I started to have control over my sleep, so I began to dream that I was flying in the clouds. It was wonderful, like an advanced state of visualization, but I was aware of my body the whole time. I needed to urinate, and at times I felt like I was suffocating, so I got up to urinate and was unable to replicate this effect again.
>Testing
I began to speculate that it had something to do with some breathing mechanism, so I started researching, but found nothing. I only found methods for lucid dreaming, which I wasn't interested in trying at the moment.
>How to OBE
One day I saw a statue of Buddha lying on his side. I had read that Buddha recommended certain positions for meditation, and that this position was also good for balancing gastric gas-liquids etc and sleeping better, even though it was quite uncomfortable for the arms.

I was curious that there were a lot of Buddha statues with this, so I kept researching and a Tibetan lama said something like that this position was very good for seeing the “body of rainbow and traveling on the sky” or something like that. what the damn old is talking?
I became curious about deity yoga and dream yoga, but I didn't even read a book about it; I wasn't interested that much at the moment.
>The pranayama
I ended up playing around with pranayama and the technique of alternating breathing through the nostrils, but I found it uncomfortable and even dangerous. However, while meditating one day, I realized something.
>What happen if you combine the lion pose with tap one nose nostril and breath of pranayama?
Well, I did it. I started meditating lying down (sleep lion posture) using this technique (Anulom Vilom, or Nadi Shodhanam, or Chandra Bhedana, call it in anyway just do it) and reached some pretty interesting levels of drowsiness where I achieved something similar to a lucid dream or OBE (to be honest, I can't tell the difference anymore, maybe there's a difference and i dont know but its fun anyway).
The site I shared contains various psychonautics techniques in case you're curious.
>Also
So maybe that's what the old lama from Tibet meant.
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>>4245
>Hypnosis (sometimes roleplay, sometimes relaxation, sometimes just believe it work)
Many of the post-modern magic books I read used the ideas of energies, and many sought to cultivate them. I found it boring and pure woo-woo because I didn't believe in such energies beyond their physical effects (ignore that i cultivate Metta but it's not a energy in a magical sense, maybe lol?)
One day, while reading about RAW, I read that he experimented with hypnosis with some magicians who practiced NLP. Apart from the fact that NLP is superstitious rubbish and cultish and fraudulent at times with ideas that have already been discarded, they do use hypnosis techniques that actually work (Crowley discovered one by putting on and taking off a ring changing personality).

>Hypnosis history into the magic
Another curious thing is that Mesmer taught his arts, and even another hypnotist of the time Amand-Marie-Jacques de Chastenet, Marquis of Puységur, to Masonic lodges... This relationship always seemed strange to me. Perhaps maybe the Masons included something of Mesmer and others in their rituals, maybe even the heterodox lodges with all that magic things into the Golden dawn and etc.

>The Scientific Hypnosis
I finished reading a book on self-hypnosis and its clinical use in scientific cognitive behavioral therapy. I found it more enjoyable without woo-woo or shit-jargon than the trashy NLP books with all of this. the book is
>self hypnosis with scientific approach of CBT by Adam Eason.
Basically, hypnosis is one of the most bastardized things in history.
>And what will I achieved?
well, I managed to test the ideomotor effect and move my body at will, enter a light trance (It is no different from gnosis, from the exciting to the relaxing.), and learn progressive muscle relaxation. all of this helped me to sleep.
I honestly thought hypnosis was like meditation, but it's very different, although it does make use of attention you can turn hypnosis into a meditation if you want.
Coue affirmations are kinda fun, to my opinion it works.
>Also
The interesting thing is that Adam's book was not very different from books on magic.
>Concentrating energy in the hands
the technique of magnetized hands of Hypnosis
>Eye gaze
Eye fixation technique
>etc
and even the techniques of meditation and affirmations are not very different from metta if you see it in a perspective.
so, Hypnosis is in a form Magick
you just change the Invoke often for Just fake it often

>Also
At times, I even feel that method actors probably know more about hypnosis and taking deity-forms than we magicians do.
It is also interesting to note that many spiritualists in the past used hypnosis techniques know it or not; even automatic writing can be achieved through hypnosis.
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>>4246
>Tulpa (Meta-programing, The HGA, The Genius, The Daemon, MLP or your imaginary friend)

>Paracosm made up
One day I was writing a fantasy novel, and I ended up creating a whole parallel universe, creating races, cities, lore, and so on. It was a strange mix of Tolkien and my own political ideas. I spent several hours at night writing in front of the computer until I was exhausted. I was feeling a little discouraged, and it was one of the few things that cheered me up.

>Character creation
One day I started writing about the deities of the fantasy world and soon became obsessed with one in particular. I ended up stopping writing the fantasy novel and focused solely on that deity character. She was basically like an angel or the best friend anyone in that world could have, very supportive and kind (around the buddhist and human ideals of me) so i tried my best to make it looking human or with a love-kindness personality

>Forcing without know it (invoke often, eye)
One boring day, I wanted to come up with more ideas for my fantasy world. I was lying in bed, unable to sleep, and I began to imagine talking to this deity character I had created to get more fun ideas for the fantasy world. I started asking him philosophical questions and always tried to get him to respond with the personality I created for him in the novel, its was very fun.
As the days went by, I did this all the time before going to sleep. One day, I felt that it was beginning to respond more quickly to what my thoughts could formulate, something like an alien idea out of nowhere. This scared me a little, so I stopped doing it and continued writing the novel.

>Thing come to live
One day I was in a taxi going somewhere, it was a week after having this alien experience with this thing. I was in the taxi breathing in the fresh air as the car drove along and I managed to look to one side at the sky, the clouds, the fresh air, the sunlight, the birds, the sound, everything was mystical.
>Attention here
Remember that correspondence thing? I think I'm getting into a ritual mode again here.
>so now
And right there, out of nowhere, I started to feel that “that thing,” the alien, was talking to me, but I didn't hear any voices, just sensations and a mental sound like when I imagine songs in my mind. What was it saying? It was reciting some things I wrote in my novel, saying them perfectly, and at times I didn't know if I wrote them that way, but they were incredibly poetic, as if they were religious text.
It was incredibly shocking. I felt like I was having a panic attack in my chest and wanted to cry. When I arrived at my destination, I didn't even try to “talk,” and I never wrote in the novel again or played with this mind-talking thing.
>Anyway...
RAW have a technique to tulpas but with more visualization in Prometheus Rising. check Meta-programming.
Is this the HGA the entire time?... I dont know.
>Also
After a while, I learned that I can talk to that thing, but it doesn't feel like a panic attack. Sometimes I wonder if its just me or another thing, its the same thing of that day? The answers are always positive according to the character's personality, although I hardly remember it anymore.

You can read some studies about this topic here (if you dont want to check Tulpa wikis and etc)
https://miliswritingdesk.wordpress.com/2023/07/27/sometimes-fictional-characters-makes-experiential-crossings-into-real-life-an-immaculate-research-work-embodied-imagination-book-review/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053810017300314
https://electricliterature.com/readers-report-hearing-characters-voices/

Maybe this is the way that religions are made up? Surely someone ended up creating a deity by writing or rewriting the Bible or Jewish books... How likely is that?
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>>4247
>Pathwork

One day I was trying Jung's active imagination technique and couldn't figure out how to do it. it was so hard to find a simple method for doing it.
I checked the 4chan /x/ archive and someone said you just had to relax your body and let your mind wander. Jacob Bohme and his followers did this.
later i learned that Swedenborg have the same method to this... well, fuck damn jung.

>Pathwork into kabbalah tree (or a guided meditation-visualization maybe?)
I tried to do pathwork with Kabbalah, I started memorizing the spheres and the tree from different books. I didn't understand anything, I didn't achieve anything. It was a complete failure.
>Apantashia
Hey... I'm supposed to see something?

>Active imagination
So I started to let my mind wander, at times it was like daydreaming and at others it was like talking to myself, immersed in my own play (Bohme do this) very fun, I recommend that you do the progressive muscle relaxation technique and put yourself in a position between asleep and awake from, neither too comfortable nor too uncomfortable.

>Hypnosis or guided meditation
I never tried this with hypnosis but if you start to command your way into the pathwork maybe it become a guided meditation but you need a lot of focus...

>Also
Tolkien was a member of a literary group called The Inklings, In this group, there were a couple of members involved in magical things, and it is likely that Tolkien and Lewis MAYBE learned pathworking techniques. Some of Tolkien's ideas are strangely similar to those of Jung, Greek, Gnostics and other things into Christianity. although it is undeniable that Tolkien was a skilled reader of everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtmBGNx_jAg
I wonder if any of these guys ended up with a tulpa or something similar in the process... (Well, Jung was practically insane after hitting his head like that, but Tolkien or Lewis?...)
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>>4248
One day I was feeling very bad, very bad and sad. I don't have to explain my personal situation, only that it was something I couldn't control.

I ended up performing the Gnostic ritual bla bla in the bathtub and I relaxed from all negative energy. That was the first time I had ever done it and even bad but it worked.

But that's too much work for the common guy who want less dogmas... and more katmas...

>LBROB or Lesser Banishment Ritual of the 23 Trigams out of my Butt or Pure home riot ritual
>Open the windows
>find some pots and pans and spatulas
>turn on some loud very energetic music like metal, techno, or happycore Europop or whatever you like.
>Start banging on the pots and pans with the spatulas or whatever you have
>start shouting and waving your arms around.
>start breathing fast like the breath of fire
>turn on enraged
>If possible, dance or sing or shout “GET OUT OF HERE!” until you reach a state of ecstasy and exhaustion at same time you start banging the pots and pans with the spatulas and dancing
>If you want to do it naked or dressed as an Indian costume or a magician dress, go for it, more fun
>Finish the ritual and shout, “THE ASS ritual is over! 23!!! MUUUUU” or just say HAIL ERIS!!!!!! or IM FREE NOW!!!
>You don't need to focus on the vowels, but if you let out feral screams with all the emotion of being angry, even better.

You can mix up or made a new ritual if you want, I recommend breaking a plate or glass each time you do this at the end of the ritual; it feels very satisfying.

You can also make a voodoo doll of someone unbearable who deserves to be beaten and end the ritual by making a ritual sacrifice with the voodoo doll. The target won't die (maybe), but you'll laugh obsessively in the process like a villain.

You may or may not end up crying, but it's quite liberating if you do what you want.

If you want to take it to the extreme, you can go with a baseball bat and break the legs of the local corrupt politician. I am not responsible if the forces of “order” start looking for you to punish you.

That's it, same effect as the LBRP, Cabalistic cross, Nu-Sphere, Star Ruby and any ritual with less incantations and less shit with more focus on the psychodrama.
>Also
I'm not lying to you, it's pretty dramatic, but I did it a couple of times.
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>>4249
>Ceremony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9JUjHFZhDk&list=RDe9JUjHFZhDk&start_radio=1
Get some friend and do this >>4249 ritual with the pots, pans and spatulas in any way you want.

Now you know the reason behind the secret orders and such; they just want to preserve the old rites and traditions
(Or they probably want to hide how ridiculous they look to the public.)
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>>4250
>Free Excommunication
Now that you know the final secret of the Illuminati, you are excommunicated.
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