/eris/ - Discordianism

who says it has to?

>>586
i do!

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I tried to define it for myself, but i never even got to the functioning of the eristocracy itself.
if i wasn't as lazy i could bring myself to continue.
I want to write a constitution for my very own manifestation of the discordian society.

>>593
"Misanthropy should be a state of mind all adherents of 
Eris should strive for."

Somebody forgot their edgy pants on.

>>594
>>593
p.s. we get like 2 days off in a week to stuff our faces with alcohol to endure the pain, and you conclude that individual freedom has gone overboard. Sit on my fist hemorrhoid!

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>>593
There are some well-made insights in here, along with many that I thoroughly disagree with. (I assume this is an analysis of what the general idea of an eristocracy is, as opposed to your own proposal of what an Eristocratic State should be)
First and foremost, despite early sections recognizing the fundamental subjectiveness and fluidity of Discordianism and its values, I feel this analysis is an attempt to make strong, definitive claims about an intentionally vague and self-contradictory paradigm open to subjective interpretation. Such an analysis is therefore bound to make claims that are widely contested, such as the assumption that misanthropy is an inherent value of Discordianism, which could also be seen as an egalitarian philosophy that values all people as Popes. Misanthropy is a subjective and most likely rare interpretation of Discordianism.
As a side note, your description of an Erisocratic State in (1.1, paragraphs 1-2) is remarkably reminiscent of early /b/ on 4chan.org. There is a reason that Discordianism was widespread in hacker subculture and I see a similar parallel in early imageboard anon culture.
I see Discordianism as radically individualist. You are a Pope, no-one is above you, disregard these written tenets and do what the hell you want. It is a direct satire of mainstream religion and dogma, hence why Discordianism calls itself a religion and calls for the eating of a hotdog on Sunday.
The concept of an Erisiofascism (I suspect you will agree that is an appropriate term for certain paragraphs in the later half) is a counter-counter culture that has very little hope of unironic appreciation due to the inherent dichotomy of order and disorder.

>>594
>>595
my edgy pants are always on! I don't drink, so that might be the reason.

>>596
>(I assume this is an analysis of what the general idea of an eristocracy is, as opposed to your own proposal of what an Eristocratic State should be)
Not really, It's what I've been wanting it to be.
Perhaps it would be better if I described my values more in the sense of a sect to the discordian society, but said discordian society would have to be unbiased, and I simply don't think POEE/the principia discordia's version is that.
>First and foremost, despite early sections recognizing the fundamental subjectiveness and fluidity of Discordianism and its values, I feel this analysis is an attempt to make strong, definitive claims about an intentionally vague and self-contradictory paradigm open to subjective interpretation.
Yes, It's my hope to be as vague and multi-interpretable as possible. The principia discordia in that right is not much different, with only certain parts being definitive.
I've been wanting to interpret the whole Discordianism as a scarily absurd and surreal organization where nobody truly understands the whole prospect. The fact that there are many outlying views could add to that.
>Such an analysis is therefore bound to make claims that are widely contested, such as the assumption that misanthropy is an inherent value of Discordianism, which could also be seen as an egalitarian philosophy that values all people as Popes. Misanthropy is a subjective and most likely rare interpretation of Discordianism.
I'd agree.

>>599
>>596
>I see Discordianism as radically individualist. You are a Pope, no-one is above you, disregard these written tenets and do what the hell you want. It is a direct satire of mainstream religion and dogma, hence why Discordianism calls itself a religion and calls for the eating of a hotdog on Sunday.
The concept of an Erisiofascism (I suspect you will agree that is an appropriate term for certain paragraphs in the later half) is a counter-counter culture that has very little hope of unironic appreciation due to the inherent dichotomy of order and disorder.
It's a part I hadn't gotten to yet, but as the PD states order and disorder are but a man-made division of Chaos, which should include both. With this, and some bullshittery on Heraclitean's "Unity of Opposites" and "Strife Is Justice" I would hope to stress that Discordianism would lose its edge if it were not appreciated in another light. Namely one which purposefully warps everything discordianism could have stood for. As for how it should be appreciated, I'm not wholly concerned. Those who consider Discordianism nothing more than a parody seem strange to me.
It might just be that the rugged outings on the ink of the PD made little young me think that the PD had more worth than it has, but I'm stuck with it now, and can think of nothing other than hailing Eris.

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> Aristocracy (Greek ἀριστοκρατία aristokratía, from ἄριστος aristos 'excellent', and κράτος, kratos 'rule')
> Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία, dēmokratiā, from dēmos 'people' and kratos 'rule')
By way of analogy, Eristocracy must be made up of Eristos (Έριστος) and kratos (κράτος), signifying the rule of Eristos: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26570613

>>601
It's a Portmanteau. If I'd known greek I would've known better than to dwell here!

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I have enjoyed reading this thread. 
The following passage really stood out.
>>601
>Eristocracy must be made up
Stopped reading there, to be honest… the rest was all Greek to me.

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Έριστοκρατία
We don't know what it is yet, but we sure as hell want it! Ave Discordia!

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>>601
>Eristocracy must be made

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>>607
>>604
My careless choice of words is confusing my fellow seekers of truth. I don't want people to think that I am an "Erisiofascist", so let my clarify and rephrase my previous statement:
> By way of analogy, Eristocracy could, if it chooses to be, no pressure though, it's perfectly okay not to, or to, it's up to it and whatever it chooses is a valid choice and we respect it fully, be made up of Eristos (Έριστος) and kratos (κράτος), signifying the rule of Eristos: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/26570613

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>>610
What the fuck is this shit? We are the keepers of the Έριsokracy and have been for the past two and a half millennia. We demand you be more certain!
(Sorry for poor english)

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>>612
Grikkland Fuck.

By Erisjökull.

>>613
nord

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>>610
Alright, alright, alright, the time is now. Let us seize victory, kick out the jams, and start this Erisiofascist Bus. Get on, the ride will be fun.

>>720
Nah, I'm good

>>720
i wouldn't call it erisiofascism.
eristocracy is basically the rule of the eristocrats, right? I imagine them to be House V at least. Most sections of House V are dead or irrelevant, thus only remains the "Episkoposes, everywhere".
Every Episkopos is an eristocrat, and in their right a self-made king.
the episkoposes form councils, and whichever council holds the most prominent of episkoposes can be regarded as the eristocracy.
Now it seems fair to assume that joining said council is voluntary, and that each episkopos has their own idea for governing what they claim theirs.
So it would come down to a confederation of those with power/land/resources.

>>726
This is probably the only sane response. For that reason I demand you delete your post.

>>723
>>726
No fun, boo, 👅.

>>729
you could very well become a fascist episkopos and bring fascism to the eristocracy that way.
>>728
I REFUSE TO BE SILENCED!

>>726
Do you really think ANY structure can be stable with bit of Eris in the gears? All your planning and bureaucracy is wasted effort and will just crumble down because of some pedantic inner conflict.

>>732
well thats the entire point to the erisian argument isn't it?
who says bureaucracy can't be chaotic? the very current month is named it!

>>726
>and whichever council holds the most prominent of episkoposes can be regarded as the eristocracy
Absolute drivel. You must be thinking of Lord of the Rings. Eristocracy, on the other hand, has no concept of councils nor kings, and certainly cannot consider the subsect with the most prominent figures more important!

>>734
bureaucracy is currently a hijacked concept, the only way to restore it for the E.O. is to have a bureauvelution with papercut guillotines.
It's like a dam, you use the bureaucracy to create an illusion of order, make the gray comfortable, then release. This is Discordianism 101, people.

>>735
what else are the episkoposes supposed to do? without useless dialogue, what kind of bureaucracy would they be? A council seems fitting.
>[the eristocracy] cannot consider the subsect with the most prominent figures more important!
That's not what i said, i said the most prominent episkoposes should form the most prominent of councils, surely there is nothing wrong with episkoposes and their sects working together?

>>736
'tis a brilliant strategy, this dam. what do you propose to call it?

>>738
I told you, it's Discordianism 102, this isn't news!
I know it's called the Goddess Dam You All in two of my cabals, and the regular Bureaucrap in the DUMP cabal.

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>>738
>surely there is nothing wrong with episkoposes and their sects working together?
THAT DEFEATS THE ENTIRE UNDERLYING PROCESS OF ERISTOCRATIC PRODUCTIVITY!

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>>740
it's news to me! surely this obscure manner of non-essential communication can only improve henceforth!
i wonder what other tricks we can use to lure in the grays…

>>741
CHAOS IS BRED IN ERISIAN DIALOGUE!

>>743
Dunno if I'm misunderstanding, but erisian dialogue isn't exactly "working together"

>>745
well yes but you see, that's where the paradox lies.
To have an eristic argument, you must first have an argument, and to first have an argument, you must first have conversation, which blooms from working together.
In that sense, Erisians would only be in dialogue so they can dispute eachother.
Just like how anti-culture and opposition always needs a culture or a co-operation to oppose, we create things to see if we can destroy them. That is the very basis of applied theory.

Erisian action can have temporarily organisation, just like the anarhcists. What makes us cooler is that the dissassembly of the organisation is by design disorganised, resulting from self sabotage, inner conflict, and the characteristic absurdity of the whole setup.

Thanks everyone for your input, it will be all considered during the next annual meeting of the Academic Institution for Discordian Study. Until then, if you have any further comments that you want us to consider, please submit it through the ERIS-BURO-4032-9688-511667f5c9a7 form instead of posting here. Thank you!

>>755
'Tis the season. Please forward the key points to us afterwards, that would be guid.

>>726
see if we had a wiki we wouldn't have to keep repeating this.
We really ought to go through the info database and see what we could allow the grays to know

>>757
The wiki would be a damn warzone. Let's file an applocation to the egregore.

>>756
Associate members have the option to receive meeting minutes by mail or tasseograph. However, because of the global pandemic situation currently we can only provide fifty seconds.

I can't drink a cup of tea in 50 seconds, I'll burn my mouth!

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>>771

Any pope may grant titles of eristocratic nobility. If you want an Eristocracy, go out there and make eristocrats! I created 9 eristocrats today. The last pair got mean about it.
>walk up behind a couple
>tap them on the shoulders with my foam saber
>by the powers invested in me by Eris I pronounce you sir knight and lady
>They turn around
>What the fuck is your problem buddy?
>Get away from us, keep your social distance!
>I'm calling the cops!

>>850
any discordian can name anyone a pope, but that's where their rights end as far as i know.
even that right has been granted by the 5th house, as stated on the card. It can be repealed by the council of episkoposes alone.

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>>851
I excommunicated the council, you little shit! They were insolent.

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>>850
>walk up behind a couple
>tap them on the shoulders with my foam saber
>by the powers invested in me by Eris I pronounce you sir knight and lady
>They turn around
>What the fuck is your problem buddy?
>Get away from us, keep your social distance!
>I'm calling the cops!
I know that feel, Dweller. You've got to be careful in current year. We've been holding workshops at the compound to practice granting honorary titles, while also adhering to social distance requirements. You're welcome to stop by anytime. A tricycle, foam lance, and social distance stick will be provided, but it is a potluck. So, bring a side dish if you can.

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>>851
>any discordian can name anyone a pope, but that's where their rights end…

Disagreed. I disagree with this Dweller and agree with the Dweller that this Dweller was responding to.

I understand this doctrinal dispute is a sensitive issue and, despite my love of schisms, it's not my intention to cause another schism here. Or maybe it is? Who knows? I'm not even sure myself anymore.

In any event, having said all that, my position is as follows… Knighthoods are cool! So, there! Like, who else is going to deal with the dragons? Do you have any idea how much greyface repellent it would take to subdue a disgruntled dragon? Really, do you have any idea? Because, even though I stocked up on a shit load of Grey-B-Gone™ during the last promotional event, I'm not sure that it would be enough to deal with a disgruntled dragon… or even a gruntled fire horse, for that matter.

Now, for those among us who will not accept one lone Pope's irrational and autistic concern about dragons as proof of the validity of knighthoods, I took a deep dive and researched the matter by consulting Wikipedia. The relevant text has been highlighted in the attached screenshot.

>including the pope
>Greek hippeis

OK… So Wikipedia fucked up a little and referred to a pope as "the pope" and they also misspelled Greek hippies as "Greek hippeis", but you've got to cut them some slack (Bob would) since they're always complaining about falling short of their fundraising goals.

To reiterate…

>knighthoods are cool
>no one else wants to deal with the dragons
>popes
>Greek hippies

I rest my case.

Ok keep the rest, these threads are the only ones with anthropological value.

Where the fuck is the thread with the sperg?